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[ominous music plays]

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[theme music playing]

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The thing
inside of me, it's like...

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the appetite,
it's like a wolf that's...

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feeling...
the hunger.

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[Dr. De La Torre]
Walking into a scene in which
a decapitation has occurred

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is especially gruesome.

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There is a level
of brutality that...

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any other murder doesn't really
come close to...

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kind of exemplifying.

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You have essentially wiped
the identity

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from that individual.

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Everything about a decapitation
is about patience.

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It's controlled chaos.

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For Dicus to engage
in a behavior like this

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to his own wife suggests
that she was never

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a person that he loved.

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She was never a partner
in this relationship.

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She was only ever
an object, a toy,

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something that he could
easily discard when he was done.

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[Dr. Sahni]
What we see in this moment

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is somebody who's calm,

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he's collected,
he's respectful of the officer,

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and he's actually
somewhat deflated.

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He's low energy.

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This is not someone
you would imagine

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could have committed such
a heinous and callous crime.

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We know from available records
that after killing his wife

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and taking the time
to clean himself up,

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Dicus is seen going into

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his wife's place
of employment,

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calmly walking into one
of the refrigerator cases,

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taking out a beer,
taking it outside,

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drinking it,
and then returning home.

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This is not the behavior
or actions

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of somebody who's concerned
about what he's just done.

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When we think about psychopathy
and we think about people

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who lack remorse
or have callousness,

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those symptoms
and those factors altogether

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are exactly what we're seeing
with Dicus in this moment.

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[Dr. Morgan III]
I think the behavior's
a little odd.

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There are these gaps,
and you're trying to figure out,

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is he not tracking,
or is he really tracking,

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but he's refusing to answer.

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As the interview progresses,
he's trying out,

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in not a great way,
how to try and look maybe crazy

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that would get him
a psych eval.

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He's got to now figure out
how to be in charge,

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how to control the narrative.

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Something else made him
do this thing.

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He's trying to shape and create
a view of him in the eyes

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of the detectives
as someone who is damaged.

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[Dr. Sahni]
What he's doing is shifting
the blame away from himself.

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He's blaming it on superficial
external choices he's made.

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He's not really acknowledging
that the level of violence

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in this crime and the pattern
of trying to control the victim

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have very little to do
with any history of drug use.

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And it's also important
to note that toxicology reports

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indicate trace levels
of marijuana, of cocaine,

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but nothing that rises
to the level of what Dicus

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is trying to convince detectives
made him do it.

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So what we see is somebody

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who's still manipulating
the situation.

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[Det. 1 laughs]

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[Dr. Morgan III]
We see somebody pretending
that they have an illness.

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We call that "malingering,"
that they're trying to produce

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symptoms of a mental illness
in order to persuade the viewer

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either that they're ill,
they're sick, they're impaired,

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but they're not in
a normal frame of mind.

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The crack in this whole
presentation is when he finally

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even laughs about it,

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'cause he knows it's laughable.

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It means this is a performance,
and even he can't hold it

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for a moment,
has to laugh about it with them.

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There is a brief moment,

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a brief glimpse to the camera,

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when he's talking about
how the voice is telling him

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to try to stop time.

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And it's at that moment

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that now everything
is starting to come out.

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Now it's, you know,
now it's time to be violent.

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He has to make
this performance work

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if he's to get out of this.

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So engaging
in this performance,

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it's obviously an inability
to accept responsibility.

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Psychopath is never going
to accept responsibility

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for any action that they take.

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While Dicus would have
the detectives believe

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early on that he doesn't
remember what happened,

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that he doesn't recall
the details,

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that he was under the influence
of substances,

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or he was under the influence

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of command
auditory hallucinations

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telling him to do this,

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suddenly now he remembers
a lot of details

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about what the voices
told him to do,

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about how things
unfolded in the conflict,

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that he did
decapitate his wife.

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And in his own way,

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he's trying to maintain
control over the interview

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and over the narrative.

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And to think
that this small, petite victim

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would have taken a kitchen knife

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and handed it
to a volatile, unstable person

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who had hit her before
and was volatile with her

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seems completely ridiculous.

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The relationship
between Jared Dicus

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and his wife, Anggy Díaz,
begins accidentally,

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both literally and figuratively.

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There was a car accident
that Anggy was involved in

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that led to Jared being
sort of somehow witness to it

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and became sort
of a knight in shining armor.

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But it was more love bombing
than anything.

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It was more sort
of ingratiating himself

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into a relationship.

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Díaz herself is an immigrant.

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English is not
her primary language.

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So she's very vulnerable
to being exploited.

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So there's so much that's
happening in this relationship.

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And Anggy has finally decided

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that she is going
to exert agency in her own life,

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saying that this is not
the life that she wants to live

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and she wants to leave.

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This is absolutely Dicus
being confronted with rejection

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and attempting to find a way

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in which to control it
behaviorally.

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And when
that wasn't going to happen,

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he was gonna go
as far as he needed to go,

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however he needed to get there,

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in order to ensure
that Anggy Díaz

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never left that house alive.

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[Dr. Morgan III]
Remorse is so hard to measure.

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They've already told him,
you know,

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"Jury's not going
to like it if you stumble this.

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We need to see a sign
of remorse."

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And so it doesn't surprise me

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that he's going to throw
in there, "I'm very sorry.

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You know,
she didn't deserve it."

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It doesn't feel very heartfelt
when somebody looks

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brokenhearted and genuinely
crying over something.

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It tends to tug
at our heartstrings.

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And we go, "I think
they really feel bad about it."

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But we don't get any
of that from him.

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They just don't come across
as genuine.

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So, if they are genuine,
it's bad for him

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'cause he can't convey it
in a way

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that regular humans
can -- can feel it.

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[speaking in Spanish]
Did you notice?

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Or when did it happen?
realize that they had...

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problems in marriage?

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[speaking in Spanish]

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[translator]
About a month ago.

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[in Spanish]
And where were the blows?

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The bruised ones.

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[translator]
They've been arguing all night.

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[Dr. Sahni]
For a psychopathic single

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and a domestic violence
perpetrator

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who is psychopathic,

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the need to maintain power
and control over their victims,

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the need to preserve
their own narcissism,

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is significant.

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And for someone like Anggy,

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who very rapidly
was putting together

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the reality
of what was happening,

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and that it
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that she did need to leave,

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that she regretted marrying
this person

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despite her young age,
she was smart.

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She was figuring out

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that this wasn't gonna
get better.

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Domestic violence perpetrators
don't tolerate rejection.

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Psychopaths
don't tolerate rejection.

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And psychopathic individuals

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don't deal well with losing
control of a situation.

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And that's where we see
the powder keg to the amount

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of violence that was this crime.